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1972 Ferrari 365 GTC/4

Daytona V12 on six side-draft Webers, supplied new through Viglietti

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Overview

Compiled by Kept from the seller's intake answers, the documents supplied and published records for the model. The seller does not write or edit this section, and nobody from Kept has inspected the car.

9 of 10 intake answers8 documents supplied6 service recordsPublished records for the model

This 1972 Ferrari 365 GTC/4 is finished in Rosso Chiaro over beige leather and is offered from Illovo, Johannesburg by , its fourth owner and the keeper of the car for twenty two years. It carries chassis 15681, shows 71,300km, and is one of roughly 500 built across 1971 and 1972. The Viglietti Motors supply record published with the lot confirms it was sold new in South Africa rather than imported later, which is the rarer of the two histories for a Ferrari of this age here.

The 4.4 litre Colombo V12 is the Daytona unit turned to breathe through six Weber 38 DCOE side-draft carburettors instead of downdraughts, which is what allowed Pininfarina to drop the bonnet line, and it drives through a five speed gearbox mounted in unit with the engine rather than the Daytona's transaxle. Power steering was standard. The car is a genuine 2+2, which is why it has spent decades being described as the sensible Daytona and priced as though that were a criticism.

The documented file begins in 2006 with a bare metal respray in the original colour, photographed in primer and invoiced, during which one lower rear quarter section was let in. Suspension and a resealed steering rack followed in 2011. The timing chain tensioners were replaced and the valve clearances set in 2016, the six Webers were stripped, rebuilt and synchronised on a rolling road in 2019, and the fuel tank, lines and hoses were renewed in 2022. A leak-down and compression test was run on all twelve cylinders before the sale and both sheets are in the documents.

The flaws the seller states are paint blistering at the base of the left A-pillar that has not been cut back, so nobody knows what is under it; a long crank from cold with the carburettors last set up in 2019; an air conditioning system that does not work, with the compressor removed and kept with the car; light blue smoke on a cold start that clears within a minute; and a slow driver's window. One question went unanswered: asked whether the engine internal numbers still match the chassis, the seller declined, saying he has never had the engine apart and will not certify from the outside. The car has not been through Ferrari Classiche. Bidders should price both of those accordingly.

Model background

The 365 GTC/4 arrived in 1971 as the car for the owner who wanted the Daytona's engine and did not want the Daytona's compromises. It used the same chassis and wheelbase and the same 4.4 litre Colombo V12, but with six side-draft Weber 38 DCOE carburettors in place of the Daytona's downdraughts, which lowered the induction stack and let Pininfarina draw a nose that needed no pop up lamps to meet the American headlight rules. Filippo Sapino did the body. Power steering was standard, the seats behind the front pair were usable by people with legs, and the gearbox sat with the engine instead of at the back.

Ferrari built roughly 500 over two years, then replaced it in 1972 with the 365 GT4 2+2, which began the long line of front engined four seat Ferraris that ran to the 456. That short production run and the model's position between two more famous cars is the whole story of its value: it was the Daytona's quiet twin, and for fifty years the market paid for the noise.

South African supply came through Viglietti Motors, the Cape Town concessionaire that held the Ferrari franchise here, and cars delivered new through that route carry a supply record that an imported car cannot produce. In a market with no Carfax, where provenance rests on NATIS, stamps and registers, an unbroken local chain of this length on a car of this age is the document that does the work.

Essentials

Lot
KPT-053
Year
1972
Model
365 GTC/4
Mileage
71,300 km
Transmission
5-speed manual
VIN
15681
Location
Illovo, Johannesburg
Seller
illovo_gtc4
Seller is
Private, fourth owner, 22 years
Watchers
397

Seller interview

Before the car went live, the seller answered a standard set of questions plus a set our tools generated for this model from its documented failure modes. The full transcript is public, including anything they declined.

Kept score
7.7/10

9 of 10 answered, 1 declined. A high score means the seller told you more, not that the car is better.

6.9/10medium confidence

Inferred from the seller's answers and this model's known failure points. Nobody from Kept has inspected this car.

1 question the seller declined

  • Does the engine's internal numbering still match chassis 15681, and has the car been submitted to Ferrari Classiche?

    Matching numbers and Classiche certification move the value of a 1970s Ferrari materially. Neither can be assumed.

Known flaws

The seller's own list of what this car needs money spent on.

  • 01Paint blistering at the base of the left A-pillar, not cut back, so the depth of the corrosion under it is unknown
  • 02Cold starting needs a long crank and the six Webers were last synchronised in 2019
  • 03Air conditioning inoperative, compressor removed and retained with the car
  • 04Light blue smoke on a cold start that clears within a minute, consistent with valve guide wear
  • 05Driver's window rises slowly, motor or regulator not yet diagnosed

Service record

2025-02
71,300 km
Pre-sale service, leak-down and compression test on all twelve cylinders, brake fluid flush, five new tyres
2022-06
69,800 km
Fuel system overhaul, tank cleaned and sealed, all lines and hoses renewed, carburettor rebuild kits fitted
2019-10
67,100 km
Six Weber 38 DCOE carburettors stripped, rebuilt and synchronised, ignition timing set on a rolling road
2016-03
63,400 km
Timing chain tensioners replaced, chains inspected and retained, valve clearances set
2011-08
57,900 km
Suspension rebuild, dampers, bushes and ball joints, power steering rack resealed
2006-05
49,200 km
Bare metal respray in the original Rosso Chiaro, one lower rear quarter section let in, invoiced with photographs

Documents & what's included

What physically comes with the car.

  • 01NATIS registration certificate, in illovo_gtc4's name
  • 02Viglietti Motors supply record confirming the car was sold new in South Africa in 1972
  • 03Ferrari red book handbook set and the original tool roll
  • 04Invoices for the respray, the carburettor rebuild, the tensioners and the fuel system overhaul, running from 2006
  • 05Photographic record of the 2006 respray with the shell in bare metal
  • 06Leak-down and compression sheet, twelve cylinders, February 2025
  • 07Two keys
  • 08Roadworthy certificate issued within the last six months

Note from the seller

The seller's own words, published as written. The only copy on this page they control.

I bought this in 2004 from the third owner, a doctor in Kloof who had it from 1988 and drove it to Cape Town every December. It has been in a dry garage in Illovo since. I am seventy one and I have stopped enjoying the clutch in traffic, which is the honest reason it is here.

What I would want to know as the buyer: the paint is bubbling at the bottom of the left A-pillar and I have deliberately not cut it back, because if I cut it back I have to fix it and I would rather the next owner decide how far to go. It smokes blue for about a minute from cold and has done for years, which I am told is guides. The air conditioning has not worked since 2009 and the compressor is in a box in the boot.

I did not answer the matching numbers question. I have never had the heads off, I have no photograph of the internal stamping, and I am not going to write down a claim that adds a million rand to the price on the strength of what I hope is true. The car has never been to Classiche. Anyone serious is welcome to bring their own person and their own borescope before the auction ends.

illovo_gtc4 · Private, fourth owner, 22 years

Comments & bids

7 comments · 3 offers

The crowd checks the report. Offers post inline, and the seller answers directly. Most recent first.

d_dog

No Classiche, no matching numbers claim, a blister nobody will open and 12 percent on two cylinders. Every one of those is defensible on its own. Together they are the reason this is at 4.3 and not 6, and the reserve is still not met.

Bid: R 4,300,000coetzee_classics
Bid: R 4,150,000philippa.n
illovo_gtc4Seller

Worst two were 9 and 11 at 11 and 12 percent, the rest sit between 5 and 8. Tested warm in February by the specialist who did the tensioners in 2016. That spread is why I say guides rather than rings, but I am repeating what I was told.

durban_deutsch

Twelve cylinder leak-down sheet published up front is more than most Ferrari listings in this country manage in the whole auction. What were the worst two cylinders?

Bid: R 3,900,000motorsport_sa
flatsix_wc

Six 38 DCOEs last set up in 2019 is six years of drift on linkages that go out of balance if you look at them. Budget a rolling road session on day one and do not read the long crank as anything worse until after that.

illovo_gtc4Seller

Depth gauge only, and it reads thick over that area, which is consistent with filler from before my ownership or from the 2006 respray. I have not scoped it and I have not cut it. I would rather say that than guess. The respray photographs in the documents show the shell in bare metal in 2006 and the post looked sound then.

j.vanwyk

The A-pillar blister is the whole question. On these the water comes down the screen surround and sits in the base of the post, and what looks like a coin can be a section. Has anyone put a borescope or even a paint depth gauge on it?

coetzee_classics

A Viglietti supplied car with a local chain back to 1972 is the part of this listing people will undervalue. There are prettier GTC/4s in Europe. There are not many with paperwork that starts in this country.

R 4.3m3d 2h